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Old 7th May 2014, 06:44 AM
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Video format/easy/worldwide

Video format/easy/worldwide
I have a video file. I open it with vlc, fine. But when I mail videosfiles to friends, very often they write back:
"I cannot open".
Vlc can convert every video file to another format.
Question:
To which format should I convert video files so that all other.(Mac,Win,Linux,Atari and so on,also old machines)
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Old 7th May 2014, 09:47 AM
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Re: Video format/easy/worldwide

Welcome to the mess that is video - brought to you in large part by the nonsense of software patents.

I would suggest that you get your friends to install VLC - send them important and/or interesting stuff until they give in

Can you upload them to YouTube and send a link ? - it would be a bit more friendly than 50MB attachments.

(I have some doubts about video on Atari - I have a 1040ST in the corner and I am fairly sure video was never a possibility - mostly due to the upper limit on partitions being about 10MB)
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Old 7th May 2014, 01:34 PM
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Re: Video format/easy/worldwide

Webm (html5) or Ogg format should be well playable on most computers.
That is, without the need to install any codecs, and if all players fail, you can still watch them in Firefox
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Old 7th May 2014, 02:14 PM
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Re: Video format/easy/worldwide

The format with the best support across most platforms both computer and consumer electronic are MPEG4 part two (SP/ASP) and MPEG4 part 10 (h264 AVC). Stick to Baseline or Main profile for AVC and you should be fine.

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Old 8th May 2014, 08:40 AM
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Re: Video format/easy/worldwide

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Webm (html5) or Ogg format should be well playable on most computers.
That is, without the need to install any codecs, and if all players fail, you can still watch them in Firefox
Thank You all.
OGG ist a good idea.
Can I place videos on my homepage?


<video>
<source src="video.ogg" type="video/ogg" />
</video>

*
Also good idea
to publish videos on videohomepage.
*
But most of them have FLV
and FLV is only famous for win and Linux.

How about WMV?

AVI is very complicated
because there are many "avis", isnt it?

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Old 8th May 2014, 05:50 PM
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Re: Video format/easy/worldwide

First you wanted to send them to firends, now you want to make your own video homepage?
AVI is no more complex than any other video format, whether that be mpeg, webm, ogg, avi, qt, gp3 and whatnot...
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Old 8th May 2014, 06:02 PM
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Re: Video format/easy/worldwide

To be sure that absolutely anyone can play the video, you should encode it in ASCII:
http://everydaylht.com/howtos/eyecandy/ascii-movies/
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Old 8th May 2014, 11:18 PM
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Cool, now i'd need to get that working in a terminal only env, but with sound, and i could dismiss X
Well ok, surfing the Web with a GUI is more pleasent anyhow.
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Old 9th May 2014, 08:28 AM
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Re: Video format/easy/worldwide

"with a GUI is more pleasent"

You could have a TUI also. Then you can have a real honest to goodness original steam punk experience...
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Old 14th May 2014, 10:43 AM
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Re: Video format/easy/worldwide

Quote:
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First you wanted to send them to firends, now you want to make your own video homepage?
AVI is no more complex than any other video format, whether that be mpeg, webm, ogg, avi, qt, gp3 and whatnot...
Where is the problem?
There are many AVIs
but only one wmv.
Is this wrong?
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Old 14th May 2014, 01:25 PM
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Re: Video format/easy/worldwide

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Where is the problem?
There are many AVIs
but only one wmv.
Is this wrong?
Yes that is wrong.

WMV is produced by Microsoft and they update that regularly meaning there are incompatible versions, plus it has almost zero adoption in consumer products, mostly because no manufacturer wants to be in a position where Microsoft would be able to dictate anything to them, they still didn't forgot the 90's.

Further the container for it is almost always ASF another proprietary Microsoft. Not sure why, but I guess it may have some quirks and it doesn't play nicely with other cointainer formats like Quicktime, MKV, AVI, etc.

Why do you want a cointainer? if you want more than one audio, subs, support for menus etc you want to have a cointainer that will package everything in one file.

Here is an strategy, most DVD and Bluray players in the market today can read MPEG and DiVX, use what Youtube use and you should be able to send videos to anyone, just ask if they can play Youtube videos, or Vimeo or whatever and copy the settings used in those videos to encode yours.

Personally I like the open standards, MKV, OGG, Webm, FLAC, Vorbis, VP9, not to be confused with open source codecs and containers for proprietary standards, but you are free to do whatever you like.




Resources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Video
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Systems_Format
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_codecs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_codecs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_s...and_containers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar...f_video_codecs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar...f_video_codecs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar...f_audio_codecs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar...tainer_formats
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Old 16th May 2014, 09:31 AM
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Re: Video format/easy/worldwide

What is a container?
I studied CONTAINER at wiki
and I could only see:
Every video is a container.
Is this wrong?
Thank You for the information, that there is more then one WMV Format.
But there is more then one MPG Format?

I want to save and send
a simple file, not a DVD.

Exampel: The Digicam produces MPG
with old software I convert this to wmv,
most people cann see it.

Thank You again.
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Old 16th May 2014, 11:43 AM
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Re: Video format/easy/worldwide

Well, it depends on what you mean by 'most people'.

If the 'most people' have VLC or Mplayer, then they can play most anything, containerized or not, but if they only have Windows Media Player, then you are screwed, since it plays almost nothing.
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Re: Video format/easy/worldwide

Quote:
Originally Posted by matheandcreate View Post
What is a container?
I studied CONTAINER at wiki
and I could only see:
Every video is a container.
Is this wrong?
Thank You for the information, that there is more then one WMV Format.
But there is more then one MPG Format?

I want to save and send
a simple file, not a DVD.

Exampel: The Digicam produces MPG
with old software I convert this to wmv,
most people cann see it.

Thank You again.
Container is similar not exactly the same as a zip file, it packages other files inside, the codec(compression/decompression) is responsible for reducing the size of the raw video, they are 2 different things, AVI, MKV and others are containers, H264 is a codec and videos compressed with it can be put into an AVI container or MKV.

Containers have a very useful function and that is to make it possible to package more streams and by streams I mean subs, audio, image and video with some even being able to create menus (e.g. VOB, MKV, etc).

Last I checked the tendency was to use H264 for video, MP3 for audio and MKV for the container.

http://www.videohelp.com/

Now when you say most people can see it, most people in your circle may be able to see it, most people using a game console, DVD or Bluray player will not and if most people in your case have a computer just tell them to install the most popular players out there that play everything like VLC or MPlayer or use what big websites use which is H264, AAC in an MP4 or VP9, MP3 in a webm container

MediaInfo(in the repositories), VLC and MPlayer can show what codecs are being used, Avidemux have an intuitive interface that makes use of this concept of codecs and containers, where you have to choose the video codec, the audio codec and then the container that you will put that all inside.
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Old 20th May 2014, 03:20 PM
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Re: Video format/easy/worldwide

OK

so I am "screwed" because I have friends using xp an old media player.


What kind of format or reader can the old media player read?
Question about container:
A video file without container can organice picture/sound together?
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